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[00:00:00] Speaker A: I brought one of my favorite pieces of artwork for you, Dawn.
[00:00:03] Speaker B: This is.
[00:00:04] Speaker A: I love this so much. So this was a piece. It was painted by Sister Grace Remington. She's from a Mississippi abbey, a sweet nun, and she painted a picture of Eve and Mary. Don't you love that?
[00:00:14] Speaker B: I love that. I love the colors. I love the idea.
Oh, it's so well done.
Tell me more about it.
[00:00:21] Speaker A: Well, it makes me so happy because you have Eve with the fruit, and then you have the snake wrapped around her legs, but it's Mary who is crushing his hand.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. And it looks like she's pregnant, right?
[00:00:30] Speaker A: Yes, she's pregnant.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: Whoa.
[00:00:33] Speaker A: I hang this up in my house every Christmas. This is like I take down another piece of art, and this goes up for the whole holiday season. I have all daughters, and I just want to remind them when we talk about Christ at Christmas that this is the reason for him and there's a purpose in her being pregnant that we're gonna talk about today, which is the most important thing we need to understand when we talk about Mary. And I am so excited to have this discussion about Mary because Dawn is going to teach us a Hebrew word that will everything when it comes to Mary and womanhood in general. And we are so excited to talk to you about the incredible creation of Adam and Eve and the garden. Welcome to Jesus Christ in Scripture, Finding Christ on every page. I'm Tammy Uzalak hall with my friend, Dr. Donald W. Perry, and we are so excited to dive into the creation story. So grab your scriptures and something to mark them with. And everyone turn to Genesis chapter two. So Genesis chapter two is where we're introduced to these two people that were created.
Actually, we kind of want to go to Genesis 1, and we want to read the verse where it says that God created man in his own image. That's in verse 27. It says, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them. Then you go to Genesis 2, and we're given a more formal introduction and given their names. Don, talk to us about this creation and Eve.
[00:01:44] Speaker B: Okay, so I have studied Eve for probably two decades using the Hebrew text, and I've come up with seven. Seven ways that she's unique, and all of us are unique. But some ways that she's unique, they're all important. And I'm going to introduce some Hebrew words, several Hebrew words. And I brought one of my Hebrew lexicons with me. The Hebrew lexicon is really helpful. This is volume two of two volumes. You see how Big. It is. It's just packed with wonderful information.
So let's begin first with the description of Adam and Eve.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: We, Joseph, Oliver and Zebedee Sarah saw a golden throne on a circular foundation. And on the throne sat a man and a woman having white hair and clothed in white garments. Their heads were white as snow and their faces shone with immortal youth. They were the two most beautiful and perfect specimens of mankind I ever saw. Adam was a large, broad shouldered man and Eve as a woman was as large in proportion. My daughters are going to love that because they're six feet tall.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Oh. Oh. I had no idea.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: Two of them. That's awesome. Wow.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: A couple of very interesting things about this vision in this description. One on the throne. It sounds like there's one throne.
Adam and Eve are sitting.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:03:02] Speaker B: Now, I find that very fascinating. One's not higher than the other hierarchically.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: I like that.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: The throne is golden. So it's not wooden or marble or something. It's a golden throne. Notice the circular foundation. And that suggests that they're lifted up a little bit.
And then notice the white. White hair, white garments and white heads. White as snow. In my opinion, and I don't know if I'm right or not, that doesn't mean they have white hair in the celestial kingdom, but all the glory. Notice their faces shown with immortal youth.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: I think that's an important distinction. They aren't white skin necessarily, it's just that I love that. Yeah, absolutely.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: And notice there are two most beautiful and perfect specimens. I think they're resurrected beings in this vision.
[00:03:55] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:03:56] Speaker B: I'm not sure. Now, Eve. Here are some significant items about Eve before we get to the significances. Eve is one of the most eminent and distinguished individuals in both mortal life and eternity. She had a vital role in the Garden of Eden. And I think a lot of scholars and people and laypersons over the centuries have misjudged Eve and her value and import.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yes, I agree.
[00:04:22] Speaker B: I think they just got it wrong.
[00:04:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: Her role is reenacted and dramatized in our temple. She is the great archetype of all women. She's a life giver, progenitor of all living. And now this is a Hebrew word we're going to get to in part two. She saved humankind from mortal destruction and extinction. And she's unique in seven ways. We're only going to do half of them in this episode.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Yes. There's a cause. There's so many good things.
So this is really cool. And you want to make sure you have Your scriptures so you can mark these verses. Eve has a sevenfold uniqueness we have here that she is built versus formed. Can't wait to get into that.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: We're going to get into that.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: We are. It's so fun.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: We'll get into all these.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: Number two, her rib or side versus the ground. Three is Adam's deep sleep. Four, not good to be alone. Five through seven. We will deal with items five through seven in the next episode, which we kind of talked about. And two of which are set forth that he was the top ranking type of Jesus Christ.
[00:05:16] Speaker B: Yes. So let's go through these. Let's do these and try to explain them. They're a little bit scholarly. As I said. I've used the lexicon. The lexicons are invaluable and trustworthy. Yeah, these are well known and respected lexicons. So first, let's look at the idea that she was built versus form from the ground.
So I hope the Hebrew that we cite doesn't throw anyone off or scare people away because we'll explain it as we go. So the Hebrew word to use to convey Adam's creation is yatsar. Yatsar. It means to shape or form. In Genesis 2:7, the Lord formed man of the dust of the ground. So that's an important item. Animals too were formed. Same verb from the ground. Now, Eve is different. This is one of the uniquenesses. She was. The Hebrew word is bana. Bana, B NH Bana, to build.
And that's used to describe God's creation of Eve. And here's the verse. And the Lord God built the rib which he took from Adam into a woman. Now in the Hebrew it's clear. And I found an English translation that says built.
I think the King James has made or something I don't remember.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yes. In fact, Genesis 2:22. Go there, Mark it. Highlight made. But there it is. God taken from man, made he a woman. But again. And the rib, which the Lord God had taken. And I love this. So much better the idea. And God built the rib.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: So Eve's creation is unique from man and the animals. They were formed from the ground. She's built from the ribbon. So that's number one. Now there's another. There's some other thoughts about to build.
[00:06:57] Speaker A: Here we go. So check this out, you guys. To build. This verb, it's used in a variety of settings in the Hebrew Bible. Building cities, diverse buildings. Also sacred structures, including God's tabernacle and temples. So whenever it talks about that in the Scripture, God built temples. He built tabernacles. We have the construction of Eve with the employment of bana. It recalls the building of temples and altars, making Eve a prototypical building and sacred institution. Note also that the two Old Testament passages use bana with regard to women bearing and delivering children, or as the Hebrew specifically states, building children.
[00:07:32] Speaker B: I love that I have to tell.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: You about the aha I had with this, because I thought when I was studying this, how beautiful is it for me that Adam was created to create life. Eve was built to build life. Like the idea that she would then build within her tab sacred human form, which is a temple in and of itself. I just thought, this is so beautiful. Understanding the difference between these two and not to take away from Adam at all, because he was created to create life, but she was built to build life. And I love this teaching. It's cool.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: Okay, here's number two. Now, some of this everyone should know is symbolic, but I will say there was an Adam, there was an Eve. But some of the scriptures are symbolic. We get that from President Kimball and a couple of others. God used unique material when he created Eve. He created Adam and the animals from Adamah, which is the ground or soil or dirt or whatever you want to say. And I've given you some references right here. Conversely, God built Eve from a living creature, a human. More specifically, she was built from the Hebrew word. It's selah. TS it's kind of hard to say selah meaning rib or side. Now, did the selah, we say it's a rib, but it also. Did it include flesh? Notice this scripture from Genesis 2:23, Adam, this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh. See, it sounds like part of it was flesh.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: And the scholars note this too. She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: So this is what you want to know. Just as b' nah was to build, there's many nuance that the temple so to Selah is associated with sacred structures. You taught this to me.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: Did I?
[00:09:14] Speaker A: I mean, think about this. I remember, I love learning that the word rib is connection to also building things in sacred structures. So of its 31 occurrences, Selah in the Hebrew Bible refers to a couple of times to humans, which is incredible. And I like this at the end. In the great majority of other occurrences, Selah refers to the construction of the tabernacle and its. Oh, I don't even know that word.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Appurtenances things, furniture and so on.
[00:09:39] Speaker A: I'm going to mark that all Right. It's things. Solomon's temple and Ezekiel's temple.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Yep. And I've given everyone, again, a reference to the lexicon. Just I like to make sure we have proper sources for all these wonderful things.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: So I have a question.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: Yes?
[00:09:56] Speaker A: Then tell me. I mean, you've been studying Eve for so long. Why is it important? I mean, what does it teach you or tell you that the word rib is connected to these holy edifices, to the temples and tabernacles, as opposed to just a rib?
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Well, I think it raises our level of appreciation for who Eve is.
[00:10:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:12] Speaker B: She's made, she's built. And I'm trying to demonstrate with this, with these ideas. And Adam and the animals are made from the ground. So I think it raises our appreciation of who she is and how unique she is.
[00:10:27] Speaker A: And I love the connection to this sacredness that there is to the word built. And selah. That's pretty cool. I like that.
[00:10:33] Speaker B: Okay, now, number three, Adam's deep sleep. This is something unique about Eve. God created Eve while Adam slept. Now, people can note Genesis 2. 21 and the Hebrews, it's a deep sleep.
And note this. The man does not assist in her creation, nor did God seek Adam's opinion on the matter. Nowhere else in the narrative, including the naming of the creatures, does the man sleep. Only during this time.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: It's just amazing to me, because he wasn't even a part of her creation. That was between God, Elohim, to create Eve.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: And why is that significant that he's not even a spectator, in your opinion?
[00:11:08] Speaker A: Well, I think for me, I just love that it didn't take a man to take.
To be able to create Eve like she was created with her heavenly parents and that he was sleeping like it's okay for him. And not to diminish Adam's role at all. It was just like, all right, Adam, take a break now. I'm gonna take some time with her. And I love all of the sacred words we've used to connect with Eve. That is, for me, as a woman with daughters, I want them to know this, like, you are special. God took the time to build you.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:35] Speaker A: Not create you, but to build you from a rib, from a selah.
And it was just between you and your heavenly parents. What a great creation.
[00:11:42] Speaker B: And Adam can't take any credit down the road and use it as a point of power.
God created Eve, so he can't say, oh, I'm partly responsible.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Right. You're kind of mine.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: You can't say that.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: Okay, now here we go. It's not good to be alone. Now, there are seven expressions that pertain to God's creative acts. We have. God saw that it was good. And then, in contrast, it is not good that the man should be alone. This is followed with, I will make a help for him. And Eve's absence from the creation was not good. So he needed a help.
And God and Elohim knew that. I love this. It's not good for him to be alone. We're going to go ahead and create her.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: I don't mean to make everyone wait until the next episode, but we. We chose to cut it off here.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:32] Speaker B: And this is the last slide of this episode.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: So right here we're going to pause on that because we have something else we want to show you because we just talked about Bana, and now we're going to talk about this weird word, weird phrasing that forever for women have made us feel like. Wait, what? And we're going to explain it to you in Hebrew, and you're going to love it. So catch us in the next episode, Sam.
